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Kyle Reed // @kylereed

Both Pro Life and Pro Gun?

I heard a radio spot the other day advertising for the state auditor election race. The current Missouri Senator was endorsing someone for state auditor. He went through the whole speel an then got to the end and said: “I think you should vote for blah blah because he is pro choice and pro gun.”

Huh? What does that have to do with auditing people?

I thought I would ask you…can those two sit next to each other?

Pro Life and Pro Gun?

*kyle

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I create websites, conversations, and ideas. Advocate for the 20 somethings. Looking to connect everyone to a mentor. Married to my best friend, Ginny. I like my coffee black and my dog Jack. I currently live in Nashville and work at Sony Music/Provident in Nashville
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  • http://www.mohan37.com mo

    All I can say is “preach it!” bc I don’t even want to get started on how ridiculous this kind of stuff is.

  • http://twitter.com/kevinowens4 Kevin

    So I guess the auditor will carry a gun but will wound/not kill you if the audit goes badly.

    I believe you can be both pro-life and pro-gun. To me, the more interesting question/debate is, can you be “pro-life” and “pro-death penalty”?

    • http://thoughtsaboutnothing.com Kyle Reed

      And that is why I bring that question up, because in some cases they are the same thing. I do not want to get into a black and white argument of does the gun kill people or do people kill people, but there are some similarities to the death penalty and guns.

      But I do think you are right, that is the real question here, can you be both pro-life and pro-death penalty? I say no

      • http://theperkinsblog.net Michael

        I’m with you. We can’t be pro life and pro death penalty.

        Can you be pro life and pro gun? I think so, although I choose not to own any guns. Actually, I’ve only shot bb guns or a squirt gun :)

      • http://twitter.com/kevinowens4 Kevin

        I completely understand the belief that one cannot be pro-life and pro-death penalty. The terms themselves scream apparently polar opposite points.

        I have struggled, and still do, with this question. For now, at least, I consider my self pro-life and pro-death penalty. Without getting into too much drawn out detail, for me, it is a matter of “innocence”.

        Unborn babies are totally innocent and have done nothing to deserve the fate of death. Criminals who are sentenced to death have committed heinous acts fully aware that the consequence of those actions most assuredly could be death as it is the law of the land (at least USA). That difference is huge for me.

        I also understand that there are potential issues with the application of the death penalty and, frankly, with whether or not it is truly a deterent to crime.

        As such, I am not basing my opinion on whether it would be better to end the policy. My point is that, morally, I can make the distinction between being against abortion and being pro (or at least neutral) death penalty.

        Thought provoking questions.

        KO

        • http://thoughtsaboutnothing.com Kyle Reed

          I see what you are saying Kevin.
          Though I understand that unborn babies are innocent and criminals are not innocent I still do not think the two can stand together (pro life and pro death penalty that is).
          Mainly because of choice. the biggest issue with abortion and anti-abortion is who choice is it to decide the fate of the unborn baby. But yet the death penalty goes the opposite and says that there is no choice but death because they deserve it.

          I guess what I am trying to say is that if we fight for life at the beginning and believe that people should not have a choice then why do we say that we have the choice to take someones life at the end of it all?

  • http://theestherproject.com Lex

    It’s a sad reminder that the term “Pro-Life” doesn’t actually mean pro-life. It means anti-abortion. They say that Christians are known more for what we’re against than what we’re for, and this has to be the epitome of that idea: Even our “pro”s are “anti”s.

    • http://thoughtsaboutnothing.com Kyle Reed

      Great point Lex, you are right on

  • http://www.carusophotography.com Jay

    Contrary to some opinion here, there is nothing wrong with being pro-life in the sense you are opposed to abortion while at the same time supporting the death penalty. The two are not even on the same plane. An unborn child is completely innocent (aside from being born with a sin nature) whereas a person on death row has been convicted of a crime and given a punishment they knew was possible at the time they committed their crime. They’re not being put to death simply because the state wanted them put them to death on a whim as is often the case with abortion.

    That being said I don’t support the death penalty. But my reasoning has nothing to do with the moral question, but rather the practical question in that we are seeing people released all the time for crimes they did not commit based on DNA evidence.

    As for the question of whether or not somebody can be opposed to abortion and still support the right to own a gun, the answer is: of course. If somebody enters my house with the intent of doing me and my family harm, and I use a .45 to take the guy out, does that make me any less pro-life? I was acting in self defense and in the defense of my family. The person who acquires a gun with the express purpose of using it to do harm wouldn’t be the person that cared one whit either way about abortion.

    • http://thoughtsaboutnothing.com Kyle Reed

      I can see what you are saying Jay. I still think it comes back to choices, both on our parts and on the part of the person that commits the crime. yes there are consequences, but I struggle to say that the consequence is death.

  • http://learningfromsophie.wordpress.com Laura Anne

    No.

    so it’s wrong to kill an unborn foetus even if carrying that baby to term could kill the mother, but it’s ok to kill someone who is probably of harm to others?

    That makes no sense. It’s should never be for us to decide who lives and who dies. At any point in life from conception to the end of our time on earth.

    I’m pro life and I’m pro informed choice. I’m pro life in that I’m for supporting people through pregnancy when it’s a tough choice to make, I’m an organ donor, I’ve worked hard to try and give blood…amongst other things. Oh, and that does include being AGAINST the death penalty. Jesus said it wasn’t about ‘an eye for an eye’ or ‘repaying evil with evil’.

    It gets on my nerves that ‘being against abortion’ automatically means such a massive statement as to say we are ‘pro life’.

    • http://thoughtsaboutnothing.com Kyle Reed

      And I think that is what the conversation and opinion is here, being about the life of others and also being there. Glad that you care about life and support others through those tough decision, we need more of that.

  • http://boozeandblues.blogspot.com Ben

    I think another very important distinction is that there are still people in this country who live by the guns that they own. It’s an easy thing to forget when you live in a city, as I have most of my life, but guns aren’t made only to take human life. I spent some time in college in a very small town where the local residents, in nearly all cases, have owned and used guns for their entire lives. For them, it’s not an issue of protecting others from the evils of guns, but protecting their family from the very real threat of going hungry. Additionally, hunting serves a very important purpose in terms of population control and conservation, which is made all the more important given that we have, in many cases, threatened natural predators and completely changed the environment that we (and other animals) live in.

    It always made me pause and think about pro-gun laws, because guns are something to be feared if you’ve grown up in a city, but something to be respected and depended upon in many rural areas. In that sense, being pro-gun isn’t anti-life, but rather, as an important part of human survival and environmental conservation, actually a relatively pro-life stance. That’s not even touching the issue of self defense.

    As to the actual term of pro-life, I’ve grown to despise it. It’s never actually meant what it should mean ideally, and has only ever been used by politicians or activists on either side, who are consistently more interested in pushing their agenda than in actually helping anyone. To me, all life is sacred, from the womb to the tomb, and as a Libertarian (or rather, as someone who’s views on government align most closely to those of the Libertarian party), I clearly have an extreme ideological issue with the death penalty as an egregious violation of civil rights. But the life of the murderer on death row, the innocent baby in the womb, the extremely elderly grandmother, the homeless man in his 40’s (with or without mental issues), and the college graduate are all equal in God’s eyes, so who am I to make a distinction?

    • http://thoughtsaboutnothing.com Kyle Reed

      Great thoughts here Ben. I appreciate you sharing.
      It does bring about a very interesting perspective on the view of guns from a city person to a rural person.