War and Peace Pt.4

Kyle Reed // @kylereed

I have been getting some great comments and thoughts. I apologize if I have been a little hazzy on some things. Part of it is that I am still working through a lot of this on my own, and the other part is that I don’t want to bore you with a bunch of words. I would much rather you talk and fill in my holes that I am creating. Sorry though if I am driving you mad with incomplete thoughts and confussion.


CoExisT
I am going to take a little right handed turn off the highway here and talk about something that was brought to my attention in the year of 2006. It was in the afternoon, me and my Dad were watching our newly purchased U2 DVD. Half way through the video the song “Love and Peace” came on. Me and my dad were enjoying the concert when all of a sudden I saw Bono wearing a head band that said CoExisT. In the song Bono said:

“Some graphitti was written up on a wall not too far from here
It says coexist
Jesus, Jew, Mohammed, it’s true
Jesus, Jew, Mohammed, it’s true
All sons of Abraham
Father Abraham, Father Abraham
Where are you now
Father Abraham, look what you’ve done
You’ve pitted your son against your son
Father, Father Abraham
No more, no more, no more”

I thought, “how interesting, I guess that is a good point.” I started to do a little more research about this and I found an article in relevant about it, read it here (interesting).
I tend to agree with this idea, but only on the surface. The idea that we are all sons of Abraham and that we need to get along is a great point. Scripturally, this will not happen. Unfortunately, Isaac and Ishmael will always be fighting. But I like the call to peace. I like the idea of getting along and showing peace to all. That is why I like it on the surface.
This brought about a ton of questions to my mind. What about Love instead of hate? What about Peace instead of fighting? What is going on?
I say all of this and bring in this idea of coexisting to ask this question. Do you think it is Biblical to go to war?
When I say go to war, I mean to respond with vengence. Whether that be with war or maybe an insult. I am asking, how do we respond to hate?

Romans 12 and 13 speak to this issue.
I will give my quick answer to this question (sorry I don’t have a ton of time to go into all of it). I do not agree with war, I think that this is the opposite of what Jesus has called us to. Responding in anger and vengeance is wrong and I am trying to live that out. The main questions that come to my mind out of all of this is a level of protection or defense. Is it wrong to defend ourselves? Looking at scripture, I see that I am to respond in love and not anger. People have said to me often, “if someone breaks into your house and is going to kill your family what are you suppose to do?” Good question, honestly I can’t say that I would respond in a peaceful way, my first inclination would be to protect and defend (can’t say that is completely wrong) but I would say that our first (sinful) response is to get revenge, to protect with fighting, to get back at them. This is best demonstrated with 911. We were attacked,  now we need to attack back. Is that the right way to handle it? A couple of years ago I would have said yes, but now, I don’t think that is right.

There are so many things that we could say (and I hope we do on the comment section) about this issue. I will stop there, though abrupt and maybe not giving all the answers, I am intersted to see what you have to say about this issue.

I leave you with this quote from John D. Caputo’s book “On Religion”
“Finally, to dare to love someone far above our station, like a beggar in live with a princess, or to dare to think that someone so wonderful could love us, to dare to love in such an impossible situation, that is love worth its salt. Or, to go to a further and still more paradoxical etreme: to love someoe who is not lovable. It is no great feat, after all, to love the loveable, to love our friends and those who tell us we are wonderful; but to love the unlovabele, to lov those who do not love us, to love our enemies-that is love. That is impossible, the impossible, which is why we love it all the more.”
God takes the Impossible and makes it possible…

Go and comment

*Kyle

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I create websites, conversations, and ideas. Advocate for the 20 somethings. Looking to connect everyone to a mentor. Married to my best friend, Ginny. I like my coffee black and my dog Jack. I currently live in Nashville and work at Sony Music/Provident in Nashville
  • http://joshuaobserves.wordpress.com Joshua Long

    There must be a difference between the following:

    On the one hand, the individual Christian’s call to love his enemies.

    AND

    On the other hand, the secular nation protecting it’s people.

    A just war is not retaliatory but preventative. War’s ultimate goal must always be peace. Every nation has a right…no, a responsibility…to protect it’s constituents from death and slavery. The nation that fails to respond to viable threats will not help in any way to spread the love of God. It will simply shrivel up and die.

  • http://tyhuze.blogspot.com Tyler

    Kyle,

    I’m curious – do you believe that all killing, in all times and in all circumstances is evil? Or do you mean that you simply don’t like the idea of it. Making that distinction is probably necessary for you to understand whether or not you are truly a pacifist.

    I’m not sure I follow you on responding w/ love and not anger. Anger isn’t really a bad response and when it comes to recognizing evil, anger should be very appropriate. Oppression of the poor, exploitation of the needy, injustice to the innocent, and violence against the undefended are exactly the types of things that God would get very angry about (see Amos). Hopefully the love you have for others would certainly cause anger against those who seek to harm the ones you love.

    There are many good reasons that a nation would wage or engage in war against another. That doesn’t mean that only good will come of it or that peace will happen immediately but those must be (as Joshua has stated) the ultimate goal for a war to be just.

    If you are up for it, check out The Weight of Glory by C.S. Lewis. He has a sermon in there called Why I Am Not A Pacifist. A little heady, but he does address both passages that you’ve mentioned and you might find it interesting.

  • kylereed

    I think that it is really hard to justify killing. I am having a hard time finding finding a circumstance where it is ok to kill someone. Maybe I am missing one. The obvious maybe would be when someone attacks your family. But I really don’t think you are justified to get revenge and kill them back.
    So, ya all killing is evil.
    You are definitely right when you are saying that anger is all right when it comes to things that are appropriate. What i mean, is that I think it is wrong to respond in an angry way of revenge. I feel like people respond with unjustifiable anger.
    I will check out what CS Lewis has to say. Thanks for the recommendation.

  • O

    “All killing is evil.” So this is easily the thing I disagree with you the most on. I’m not going to waste my time writing out the hundreds of circumstances in which I believe killing is necessary, but I just want you to know I think your mind will change on this subject. Don’t think I take killing lightly, I mean I’ve only done it twice. Taking another life is definitely a serious issue, one that will never leave you. But Kyle, if you ever allow some cracked out greaseball desperate for his next high to kill your mom, or sister, or dad, or whoever, when you had the chance to prevent it by ending his/her life…I will knock the s*** out of you; I mean badly, like beat you disabled.