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		<title>By: klreed189</title>
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		<dc:creator>klreed189</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 23:17:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you and I appreciate that.   
The good thing is actually out of all the harm and pain has come some healing for others.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you and I appreciate that.<br />
The good thing is actually out of all the harm and pain has come some healing for others.</p>
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		<title>By: *~Michelle~*</title>
		<link>http://thoughtsaboutnothing.com/what-a-crazy-day-on-the-blogosphere/comment-page-1/#comment-1332</link>
		<dc:creator>*~Michelle~*</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 23:11:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Getting onto this late......but gotta give you a *high five* and a big AMEN on this: 
 
&quot;seemed to do way more harm to the body of Christ then good.&quot; </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Getting onto this late&#8230;&#8230;but gotta give you a *high five* and a big AMEN on this: </p>
<p>&quot;seemed to do way more harm to the body of Christ then good.&quot;</p>
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		<title>By: Brett Barner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brett Barner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 23:10:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Next time I&#039;m in LA, (though it might be awhile) expect an email! God Bless! </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Next time I&#039;m in LA, (though it might be awhile) expect an email! God Bless!</p>
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		<title>By: Joe </title>
		<link>http://thoughtsaboutnothing.com/what-a-crazy-day-on-the-blogosphere/comment-page-1/#comment-1324</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe </dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 21:29:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Kyle Anytime brotha! 
 
@Joshsherif I choose not to ignore ignorance.  And there is a balance between being offended and responding with grace or without grace.  Righteous anger is something we need to learn as well.  If I see people mocking other marginalized groups of soceity, I will not ignore it.  I feel it&#039;s our duty to speak out on the behalf of the marginalized.  
 
Now every time you see these caricatures and the first thing that pops in your mind is this, that it actually is offensive, then I can live with that.  Why not dialogue?  Ignorance is not bliss. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Kyle Anytime brotha! </p>
<p>@Joshsherif I choose not to ignore ignorance.  And there is a balance between being offended and responding with grace or without grace.  Righteous anger is something we need to learn as well.  If I see people mocking other marginalized groups of soceity, I will not ignore it.  I feel it&#039;s our duty to speak out on the behalf of the marginalized.  </p>
<p>Now every time you see these caricatures and the first thing that pops in your mind is this, that it actually is offensive, then I can live with that.  Why not dialogue?  Ignorance is not bliss.</p>
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		<title>By: Kyle Reed</title>
		<link>http://thoughtsaboutnothing.com/what-a-crazy-day-on-the-blogosphere/comment-page-1/#comment-1322</link>
		<dc:creator>Kyle Reed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 19:34:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wish I was in California sometime soon, would love to meet up with you and hang out. 
 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wish I was in California sometime soon, would love to meet up with you and hang out.</p>
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		<title>By: Joshsherif</title>
		<link>http://thoughtsaboutnothing.com/what-a-crazy-day-on-the-blogosphere/comment-page-1/#comment-1318</link>
		<dc:creator>Joshsherif</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 17:25:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know I wonder if things like the book cover are offensive because people choose to be offended.  If those pictures are just caricatures and not your true culture then don&#039;t tie them to Asian culture by making such a big deal about it.  Now every time I do see one of these caricatures the first thing that will pop into my head is all of this. 
 
Maybe I&#039;m over simplifying it. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know I wonder if things like the book cover are offensive because people choose to be offended.  If those pictures are just caricatures and not your true culture then don&#039;t tie them to Asian culture by making such a big deal about it.  Now every time I do see one of these caricatures the first thing that will pop into my head is all of this. </p>
<p>Maybe I&#039;m over simplifying it.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Oh</title>
		<link>http://thoughtsaboutnothing.com/what-a-crazy-day-on-the-blogosphere/comment-page-1/#comment-1317</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe Oh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 17:08:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Brett Thanks for the clarification.  Sorry for assuming it was a part of the first two posts. I agree about dialoging vs debating. On this issue, I don&#039;t see it as choosing sides.  I see Mike and Judd as my brothers, and in all my posts I have tried to remain respectful and mindful that they are so.  Also, while it may seem to just be about the Asian/American community it&#039;s not just limited to one community.  I have friends of other minority groups who are quicker to see how this is offensive.  I have friends who are not of the same faith, and something like this would only cement the false stereotype of Christianity as a &quot;white mans religion&quot;.   
 
It&#039;s also been a great experience for me to even have dialogue with my friends and they fall all over the range from horrified to not understanding why it&#039;s a big deal.  I&#039;ve heard that the authors and some leaders from the Asian/American community are continuing to communicate directly, and am hopeful.  
 
@Kyle  When I referred to &quot;agenda&quot; it was in response to your previous post.  Perhaps it was out of context.   
 
While the book was published in 2007, it doesn&#039;t mean everyone knew about it.  (And I&#039;m not exactly sure when this promotional video/packaging was included which seems more recent.)  Also, just because one Asian man gives the thumbs up doesn&#039;t mean he speaks for the rest of us.  And I&#039;m sure you have to at least admit that the overwhelming majority of posters (take that whatever way) are upset with the content and the way the authors initially treated the request to address the issue. 
 
The content of the book is probably great.  I&#039;m going to order a copy, and hope to glean a lot of wisdom from these guys whom I respect.  People may feel that there are so many other issues, why pick on your own family?  Why not go after Hollywood?  Well, I can tell you there are people who are trying to do that.  But it hurts more when it comes from our own family whom you feel should understand. We are letting you know it is offensive even if you guys still don&#039;t understand why.  Trust us when we say it is!   
 
Again while we do not want to be divisive and choose sides, we can not remain on the sidelines in issues like this in our outside of the body of Christ.  I&#039;m optimistic that good will come out of this.  If any of guys roll through Los Angeles, CA hit me up and we can hang.  Appreciate the chance to dialogue.  joeboxer212@gmail.com </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Brett Thanks for the clarification.  Sorry for assuming it was a part of the first two posts. I agree about dialoging vs debating. On this issue, I don&#039;t see it as choosing sides.  I see Mike and Judd as my brothers, and in all my posts I have tried to remain respectful and mindful that they are so.  Also, while it may seem to just be about the Asian/American community it&#039;s not just limited to one community.  I have friends of other minority groups who are quicker to see how this is offensive.  I have friends who are not of the same faith, and something like this would only cement the false stereotype of Christianity as a &quot;white mans religion&quot;.   </p>
<p>It&#039;s also been a great experience for me to even have dialogue with my friends and they fall all over the range from horrified to not understanding why it&#039;s a big deal.  I&#039;ve heard that the authors and some leaders from the Asian/American community are continuing to communicate directly, and am hopeful.  </p>
<p>@Kyle  When I referred to &quot;agenda&quot; it was in response to your previous post.  Perhaps it was out of context.   </p>
<p>While the book was published in 2007, it doesn&#039;t mean everyone knew about it.  (And I&#039;m not exactly sure when this promotional video/packaging was included which seems more recent.)  Also, just because one Asian man gives the thumbs up doesn&#039;t mean he speaks for the rest of us.  And I&#039;m sure you have to at least admit that the overwhelming majority of posters (take that whatever way) are upset with the content and the way the authors initially treated the request to address the issue. </p>
<p>The content of the book is probably great.  I&#039;m going to order a copy, and hope to glean a lot of wisdom from these guys whom I respect.  People may feel that there are so many other issues, why pick on your own family?  Why not go after Hollywood?  Well, I can tell you there are people who are trying to do that.  But it hurts more when it comes from our own family whom you feel should understand. We are letting you know it is offensive even if you guys still don&#039;t understand why.  Trust us when we say it is!   </p>
<p>Again while we do not want to be divisive and choose sides, we can not remain on the sidelines in issues like this in our outside of the body of Christ.  I&#039;m optimistic that good will come out of this.  If any of guys roll through Los Angeles, CA hit me up and we can hang.  Appreciate the chance to dialogue.  <a href="mailto:joeboxer212@gmail.com">joeboxer212@gmail.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Kyle Reed</title>
		<link>http://thoughtsaboutnothing.com/what-a-crazy-day-on-the-blogosphere/comment-page-1/#comment-1316</link>
		<dc:creator>Kyle Reed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 14:59:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for weighing in Wayne. I appreciate your perspective on all of this and taking the time to help bridge to gap between whatever sides have been created.  
You are right, it is very hard to remain neutral. But I still think there is a way to stay out of picking sides. Obviously I am going to have a hard time recognizing or understanding where the Asian American community is coming from and I am also going to have a hard time understanding where the authors (in this case Mike and Jud) are coming from because I have never wrote a book and had my stuff published to the masses. I do think it is important that we do not break it down to whose side you are on, and I really felt like that was what happened in the comment stream. 
 
I would have to disagree with you on the fact that the anger is getting dismissed as reactionary, or reading into things. I do know that there has been some comments left on the blog that treated it that way, but to be honest I have never thought that way. I couldn&#039;t think that way, it happened so fast and I was so confused as to what was happening the only thing I could do was read and educate myself through comments and blog post (and there were several of those). But I am still trying to figure out how this all came about. In my blog post I talked about how the conversation shifted from how to apologize to you need to apologize to the asian community for your work. It shifted very quickly. What confused me more was that this book has been in print since 2007 and I have never heard anyone say something like this before. Actually, I have heard the opposite. That the book was well put together, that it had great content and was presented well. This was coming from non Caucasians. I am not going to say any names but I read a review from a prominent asian man that praised the book followed up by a comment from another asian man saying the book was great and that the title was pretty catchy.  
Now I am not defending either side here, I am just trying to say where the confusion came from on my side. I was taken back and before I knew it what was once a little fire was turned into a blaze and more and more gasoline was being brought to the party. 
 
I stand by what I have said all along. People of the Second Chance is not just a phrase but a reality. And we get to see that played out very well here. I hope that the necessary conversations happen between all parties and that some healing can come about. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for weighing in Wayne. I appreciate your perspective on all of this and taking the time to help bridge to gap between whatever sides have been created.<br />
You are right, it is very hard to remain neutral. But I still think there is a way to stay out of picking sides. Obviously I am going to have a hard time recognizing or understanding where the Asian American community is coming from and I am also going to have a hard time understanding where the authors (in this case Mike and Jud) are coming from because I have never wrote a book and had my stuff published to the masses. I do think it is important that we do not break it down to whose side you are on, and I really felt like that was what happened in the comment stream. </p>
<p>I would have to disagree with you on the fact that the anger is getting dismissed as reactionary, or reading into things. I do know that there has been some comments left on the blog that treated it that way, but to be honest I have never thought that way. I couldn&#039;t think that way, it happened so fast and I was so confused as to what was happening the only thing I could do was read and educate myself through comments and blog post (and there were several of those). But I am still trying to figure out how this all came about. In my blog post I talked about how the conversation shifted from how to apologize to you need to apologize to the asian community for your work. It shifted very quickly. What confused me more was that this book has been in print since 2007 and I have never heard anyone say something like this before. Actually, I have heard the opposite. That the book was well put together, that it had great content and was presented well. This was coming from non Caucasians. I am not going to say any names but I read a review from a prominent asian man that praised the book followed up by a comment from another asian man saying the book was great and that the title was pretty catchy.<br />
Now I am not defending either side here, I am just trying to say where the confusion came from on my side. I was taken back and before I knew it what was once a little fire was turned into a blaze and more and more gasoline was being brought to the party. </p>
<p>I stand by what I have said all along. People of the Second Chance is not just a phrase but a reality. And we get to see that played out very well here. I hope that the necessary conversations happen between all parties and that some healing can come about.</p>
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		<title>By: Wayne Park</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wayne Park</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 06:48:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Kyle. Just following one of those long crazy threads thru the Deadly VIper thing. And yes, I am an asian male. 
 
Perhaps this might help you to see where the other side comes from (i get you saying you&#039;re not on any side but no one is completely neutral, please), but bear with me. When a brother is upset it&#039;s never for no reason. Does he react? Maybe. Does he polemicize. Yes. Is it right then to tell someone to chill out when they are experiencing something very tangibly real? I don&#039;t know about that. We can&#039;t just dismiss it. It&#039;s not so much the debate that is bothering so many asians. In fact I see more and more people agreeing that perhaps it could have been handled better. But what&#039;s getting people so riled up is the fact that the anger is getting dismissed as reactionary, or reading into things, or worst of all, liberal. 
 
Isn&#039;t that just how we handle the passive quiet asian guy. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Kyle. Just following one of those long crazy threads thru the Deadly VIper thing. And yes, I am an asian male. </p>
<p>Perhaps this might help you to see where the other side comes from (i get you saying you&#039;re not on any side but no one is completely neutral, please), but bear with me. When a brother is upset it&#039;s never for no reason. Does he react? Maybe. Does he polemicize. Yes. Is it right then to tell someone to chill out when they are experiencing something very tangibly real? I don&#039;t know about that. We can&#039;t just dismiss it. It&#039;s not so much the debate that is bothering so many asians. In fact I see more and more people agreeing that perhaps it could have been handled better. But what&#039;s getting people so riled up is the fact that the anger is getting dismissed as reactionary, or reading into things, or worst of all, liberal. </p>
<p>Isn&#039;t that just how we handle the passive quiet asian guy.</p>
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		<title>By: Kyle Reed</title>
		<link>http://thoughtsaboutnothing.com/what-a-crazy-day-on-the-blogosphere/comment-page-1/#comment-1314</link>
		<dc:creator>Kyle Reed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 05:48:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I never have read a ton of your stuff, but now I am a googlereader subscriber. Loved the post and went back and looked at some Ed Young stuff (his interview on Colbert was my favorite), some pics of Jesus, and of course that picture of Joel and his wife in the African safari.  
 
I am glad that you wrote the post and then allowed the comments to flow in. Honestly I would have never had paid attention to the book because I already know what the guy preaches about all the time, but having you revamp it a little for me got my attention. I love being able to check back throughout the day and see how others are reacting and what they are saying.  
 
Thanks for opening the dialogue, I am going to check your book out as well. I think it would do me some good to read and I think I can relate with what you have written. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I never have read a ton of your stuff, but now I am a googlereader subscriber. Loved the post and went back and looked at some Ed Young stuff (his interview on Colbert was my favorite), some pics of Jesus, and of course that picture of Joel and his wife in the African safari.  </p>
<p>I am glad that you wrote the post and then allowed the comments to flow in. Honestly I would have never had paid attention to the book because I already know what the guy preaches about all the time, but having you revamp it a little for me got my attention. I love being able to check back throughout the day and see how others are reacting and what they are saying.  </p>
<p>Thanks for opening the dialogue, I am going to check your book out as well. I think it would do me some good to read and I think I can relate with what you have written.</p>
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